Invisifly2 Marine Glory
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| Subject: Mind Rape Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:19 pm | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic) My challenge to you is to figure out a way to prevent one from flying missions. -Enjoy. P.S. Some other interesting things - Spoiler:
Situations which may be confused with a Catch-22, but have quite different logic or outcomes. Chicken or the egg — a seemingly unbreakable cycle of causation, which has an unknown origin. Cornelian dilemma — a choice between actions which will all have a detrimental effect on the chooser or on someone they care for. Deadlock — in computing, when two processes reach a standstill or impasse, each waiting for the other to finish. Double bind — a forced choice between two logically conflicting demands. Hobson’s choice — the choice between taking an option or not taking it. Lesser of two evils principle — a choice between two undesirable outcomes. Morton’s Fork — a choice between two equally unpleasant alternatives. Paradox — a statement or group of statements that leads to a contradiction or a situation which defies intuition. Game of Chicken - Two participants desire a positive outcome by taking an action, yet if taken by both the result is devastatingly negative. Sophie's Choice - a choice between two equally beloved entities, one of which must be destroyed to preserve the existence of the other.
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Tristan Elevated Bloon
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| Subject: Re: Mind Rape Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:34 pm | |
| I'd rather be raped already rather than read an entire wikipedia page. Summary please? |
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SF Fuji Imp
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| Subject: Re: Mind Rape Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:47 pm | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Mind Rape Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:04 pm | |
| I read what I had to and it raped mymind. |
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Invisifly2 Marine Glory
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| Subject: Re: Mind Rape Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:13 pm | |
| Fine, Some stale copypasta for those to lazy to read. ------------------------------------------------------------- Long edition (Flying cookie for you) - Spoiler:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)
Medium edition (Don't really blame you) - Spoiler:
A Catch-22, coined by Joseph Heller in his novel Catch-22, is a logical paradox arising from a situation in which an individual needs something that can only be acquired by not being in that very situation; therefore, the acquisition of this thing becomes logically impossible. Catch-22s are often spoken with regard to rules, regulations, procedures, or situations in which one has knowledge of being or becoming a victim but has no control over it occurring. Contents [hide] 1 Logic 2 Other uses from the novel 3 Real-life examples of Catch-22 4 Significance of the number 22 5 See also 5.1 False dilemmas and circular logic 5.2 Non-false dilemma situations 6 References [edit]Logic
The archetypal Catch-22, as formulated by Heller, involves the case of John Yossarian, a U.S. Army Air Forces bombardier, who wishes to be grounded from combat flight duty. To be grounded, he must be officially evaluated by the squadron's flight surgeon and then found "unfit to fly." "Unfit" would be any pilot who is actually willing to fly such dangerous missions: as one would have to be mad to want to take on such missions. But the "problem" is that to be declared "unfit", he must first "ask for evaluation", which is considered as a sufficient proof for being declared "sane". These conditions make being declared "unfit" impossible. The "Catch 22" is that "anyone who wants to get out of combat duty, isn't really crazy" [1] Hence, pilots who request a fitness evaluation are sane, and therefore must fly in combat. At the same time, if an evaluation is not requested by the pilot, he will never receive one (i.e. they can never be found "insane"), meaning he must also fly in combat. Therefore, Catch-22 ensures that no pilot can ever be grounded for being insane - even if he were. A logical formulation of this situation is: 1. (Premise: If a person is excused from flying (E), that must be because he is both insane (I), and requests an evaluation (R)); 2. (Premise: If a person is insane (I), he should not realize that he is, and would have no reason to request an evaluation) 3. (2, Definition of implication: since an insane person would not request an evaluation, it follows that all people must either not be insane, or not request an evaluation) 4. (3, De Morgan: since all people must either not be insane, or not request an evaluation, it follows that no person is both insane and requests an evaluation) 5. (4, 1, Modus Tollens: since a person may be excused from flying only if he is both insane and requests an evaluation, but no person can be both insane and request an evaluation, it follows that no person can be excused from flying)
Shorter edition (Simply lazy) - Spoiler:
The "Catch 22" is that "anyone who wants to get out of combat duty, isn't really crazy" [1] Hence, pilots who request a fitness evaluation are sane, and therefore must fly in combat. At the same time, if an evaluation is not requested by the pilot, he will never receive one (i.e. they can never be found "insane"), meaning he must also fly in combat. Therefore, Catch-22 ensures that no pilot can ever be grounded for being insane - even if he were. A logical formulation of this situation is: 1. (Premise: If a person is excused from flying (E), that must be because he is both insane (I), and requests an evaluation (R)); 2. (Premise: If a person is insane (I), he should not realize that he is, and would have no reason to request an evaluation) 3. (2, Definition of implication: since an insane person would not request an evaluation, it follows that all people must either not be insane, or not request an evaluation) 4. (3, De Morgan: since all people must either not be insane, or not request an evaluation, it follows that no person is both insane and requests an evaluation) 5. (4, 1, Modus Tollens: since a person may be excused from flying only if he is both insane and requests an evaluation, but no person can be both insane and request an evaluation, it follows that no person can be excused from flying)
Really short edition (No respect) - Spoiler:
The "Catch 22" is that "anyone who wants to get out of combat duty, isn't really crazy" [1] Hence, pilots who request a fitness evaluation are sane, and therefore must fly in combat. At the same time, if an evaluation is not requested by the pilot, he will never receive one (i.e. they can never be found "insane"), meaning he must also fly in combat.
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P00pinshniver White Knight
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| Subject: Re: Mind Rape Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:19 pm | |
| I most of it and it wasnt that confusing, just impossible. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Mind Rape Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:55 pm | |
| I'll think about this more when I'm not on Vicodin, |
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Jshushij Elevated Bloon
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| Subject: Re: Mind Rape Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:42 am | |
| Weird concept, but I think ive heard of this before. I understand it, its not that hard to grasp. |
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Jim White Knight
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| Subject: Re: Mind Rape Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:24 am | |
| I sorta read the long editon, do I get a flying cookie? |
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